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My FAVORITE wheat beer
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Jeff
2005-02-01 01:47:09 UTC
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http://www.erdinger.com/ Yes, you CAN get it in the US. I do! If you get it, MAKE SURE you pour
it correctly. The website has instructions.
dgs
2005-02-01 02:48:10 UTC
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Post by Jeff
http://www.erdinger.com/ Yes, you CAN get it in the US. I do! If you get it, MAKE SURE you pour
it correctly. The website has instructions.
Schneider Weisse kicks Erdinger's ass. So does Edelweiss from Austria.
So do several other Bavarian wheat beers.

So what makes Erdinger your yelling-in-all-caps FAVORITE?
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Lew Bryson
2005-02-01 03:04:06 UTC
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Post by dgs
Post by Jeff
http://www.erdinger.com/ Yes, you CAN get it in the US. I do! If you
get it, MAKE SURE you pour
it correctly. The website has instructions.
Schneider Weisse kicks Erdinger's ass. So does Edelweiss from Austria.
So do several other Bavarian wheat beers.
So what makes Erdinger your yelling-in-all-caps FAVORITE?
Why do Schneider and Edelweiss kick Erdinger's ass, Don? You're guilty of
the same sin you're accusing the noob of.
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dgs
2005-02-03 05:52:43 UTC
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Post by Lew Bryson
Post by dgs
Post by Jeff
http://www.erdinger.com/ Yes, you CAN get it in the US. I do! If you
get it, MAKE SURE you pour
it correctly. The website has instructions.
Schneider Weisse kicks Erdinger's ass. So does Edelweiss from Austria.
So do several other Bavarian wheat beers.
So what makes Erdinger your yelling-in-all-caps FAVORITE?
Why do Schneider and Edelweiss kick Erdinger's ass, Don? You're guilty of
the same sin you're accusing the noob of.
Eez my point, ya big lug. Okay, it's a wheat beer. It's got (ooh!
aah! whee!) a web site. So, what makes it a favorite? Proof by
blatant assertion?

Schneider is a benchmark of the Bavarian wheat beer style, with a
substantial history as a commercial brewer of wheat beers, and a
superb range, including a couple that are pretty much export-only;
you won't find them in Bavaria, but they're exported to the USA.
Those would be the Edel-Weisse and the Aventinus Weizen Eisbock
(or is it Eis Weizenbock?). Schneider's wheat beers don't lack for
flavor or body.

Edelweiss - yes, the Austrian beer brewed by national brewing
conglomerate that's now just another chunk of Heineken - makes
a solid, well-executed range of wheat beers, and the flagship
pale Edelweiss has always been a personal favorite.

I could name others, but you get the idea.
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dgs
Per Samuelsson
2005-02-03 21:48:15 UTC
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That's strange. I usually agree with your taste, but I'd rate later batches
of Edelweiss on near Erdinger-like level (yes, Erdinger, the most boring and
industrial of all German hefeweizens). In fact I have plenty of Edelweiss
left in my fridge from last year that I simply don't know what to do with.

I do remeber that I used to like the stuff years ago though.

// Per
Post by dgs
Post by Lew Bryson
Post by dgs
Post by Jeff
http://www.erdinger.com/ Yes, you CAN get it in the US. I do! If you
get it, MAKE SURE you pour
it correctly. The website has instructions.
Schneider Weisse kicks Erdinger's ass. So does Edelweiss from Austria.
So do several other Bavarian wheat beers.
So what makes Erdinger your yelling-in-all-caps FAVORITE?
Why do Schneider and Edelweiss kick Erdinger's ass, Don? You're guilty of
the same sin you're accusing the noob of.
Eez my point, ya big lug. Okay, it's a wheat beer. It's got (ooh!
aah! whee!) a web site. So, what makes it a favorite? Proof by
blatant assertion?
Schneider is a benchmark of the Bavarian wheat beer style, with a
substantial history as a commercial brewer of wheat beers, and a
superb range, including a couple that are pretty much export-only;
you won't find them in Bavaria, but they're exported to the USA.
Those would be the Edel-Weisse and the Aventinus Weizen Eisbock
(or is it Eis Weizenbock?). Schneider's wheat beers don't lack for
flavor or body.
Edelweiss - yes, the Austrian beer brewed by national brewing
conglomerate that's now just another chunk of Heineken - makes
a solid, well-executed range of wheat beers, and the flagship
pale Edelweiss has always been a personal favorite.
I could name others, but you get the idea.
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dgs
The Submarine Captain
2005-02-03 22:34:35 UTC
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Post by Per Samuelsson
That's strange. I usually agree with your taste, but I'd rate later batches
of Edelweiss on near Erdinger-like level (yes, Erdinger, the most boring and
industrial of all German hefeweizens). In fact I have plenty of Edelweiss
left in my fridge from last year that I simply don't know what to do with.
I do remeber that I used to like the stuff years ago though.
Could this have anything to do with the brewery producing Edelweiss
being a subsidiary of Heineken since mid-2003 ?
:o(
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L. Uebelein
2005-02-14 15:00:03 UTC
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Post by The Submarine Captain
Could this have anything to do with the brewery producing Edelweiss
being a subsidiary of Heineken since mid-2003 ?
:o(
This is a rumour, if you are interested who is with whom:
http://www.wer-zu-wem.de/industrie/Brauerei.html

Greetings
Liane
Lew Bryson
2005-02-14 15:41:14 UTC
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Post by L. Uebelein
Post by The Submarine Captain
Could this have anything to do with the brewery producing Edelweiss
being a subsidiary of Heineken since mid-2003 ?
:o(
http://www.wer-zu-wem.de/industrie/Brauerei.html
Thanks, Liane, great site. But it doesn't say anything about Austrian
breweries.
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deserve neither Liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin, 1759.
dgs
2005-02-15 02:25:23 UTC
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Post by L. Uebelein
Post by The Submarine Captain
Could this have anything to do with the brewery producing Edelweiss
being a subsidiary of Heineken since mid-2003 ?
:o(
http://www.wer-zu-wem.de/industrie/Brauerei.html
Not a rumor. Your site doesn't mention breweries in Austria,
including the one in Hallein that makes the Edelweiss wheat beers.
That brewery, Hofbräu Kaltenhausen, is part of Brau Union, which
is owned by Heineken. You do have the BHI group (Heineken and
Schörghuber) correctly listed as the owners of Hacker-Pschorr and
Paulaner. Your German brewery information looks quite up-to-date.
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Lew Bryson
2005-02-04 02:53:07 UTC
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Post by Per Samuelsson
That's strange. I usually agree with your taste, but I'd rate later batches
of Edelweiss on near Erdinger-like level (yes, Erdinger, the most boring and
industrial of all German hefeweizens). In fact I have plenty of Edelweiss
left in my fridge from last year that I simply don't know what to do with.
I do remeber that I used to like the stuff years ago though.
DAMMIT!
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Randal
2005-02-01 16:05:21 UTC
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I thought Edelweiss was a Schneider product? Anyway - it's probably my
favorite of the lighter hefes - spritzy, perfumy, sometimes nearly
downright hoppy!

_Randal
Bill Benzel
2005-02-01 16:28:55 UTC
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My favorite Hefe (which I cannot get in CA) has always been Kuchlbauer.
It was very easy to find in the Philadelphia area when I lived there. I
think that the importer was in Jenkintown and may have been flying it in
because it was really fresh. I remember it as just having "more" of
everything that makes a Hefe good -- more carbontaion, chewier mouthfeel,
huge aromatics -- totally dominated by the fruity esters. It was a
magnificent (effing good!) beer.

This thread has me Jonesing for a Kuchlbauer.
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Randal
2005-02-01 16:34:16 UTC
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That sounds awesome. A hefe is one of the few styles that I seem to be
able to nail when homebrewing.

I always start to crave hefes around springtime when I cannot look
another barley wine in the eye and just when I am starting to think
that I may be getting burned out on beer. Then I drink huge amounts of
hefe and in a few months I won't be able to face another perfumy estery
drop and turn to clean lagers ...

_Randal
G. Sylvester
2005-02-10 10:40:27 UTC
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Post by Randal
That sounds awesome. A hefe is one of the few styles that I seem to be
able to nail when homebrewing.
Doesn't all beer have yeast?

If we're talking about weissbier / hefeweizen, you should refer to them
as either of those names. Hefe is yeast. Weizen is the wheat.
Hefeweizen is the German term and Weissbier is the Bavarian dialect for
it. Weiss being white as the beer is somewhat white in complexion.
blah blah blah. I know. People referring to wheat beers as hefe beers
reminds me of the time I went up to a bar in Heidelberg and asked
for "Three wiess." I figured, "of course I'm referring to beer. i'm
not referring to crayons." Well after a few exchanges, he figured
out I wanted Wiessbiers and not Wiess.

ok, enough bitching. Sorry.

Gerald
Lew Bryson
2005-02-10 14:27:31 UTC
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Post by G. Sylvester
Post by Randal
That sounds awesome. A hefe is one of the few styles that I seem to be
able to nail when homebrewing.
Doesn't all beer have yeast?
If we're talking about weissbier / hefeweizen, you should refer to them
as either of those names. Hefe is yeast. Weizen is the wheat.
Hefeweizen is the German term and Weissbier is the Bavarian dialect for
it.
Maybe we could just lighten up a bit? Randal obviously knows what the hell
the beer is. And cross-language beer taxonomy is a muddled mess anyway,
particularly in this instance, where the Brothers Widmer have muddied the
waters a bit by calling their unfiltered wheat ale a hefeweizen. I often
refer to the Bavarian wheats as "hefes" when I'm talking with people who
know what one is. We're not in Germany, we're not ordering beers, we're just
discussing. No need to be the Beer Police. Oh, and yes, all beer has yeast,
but most of it has that yeast filtered out (homebrews being (usually) an
obvious exception).

Your story reminds me of going to Wilkes-Barre and ordering the local lager,
Stegmaier. We walked into the first bar of the day, Dukey's, and told the
tarbender "Three Stegmaiers, please." And the guy says, "Oh, three Stegs?
Okay." We felt like we'd somehow screwed up. So when we went to the next
place, we bellied up and sang out, "Three Stegs!" And the man behind the
stick fixes us with the fish eye, and says, wearily, "You want Stegmaiers?"
Post by G. Sylvester
ok, enough bitching. Sorry.
Understood. Me too.
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unknown
2005-02-10 23:00:08 UTC
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Post by Lew Bryson
Your story reminds me of going to Wilkes-Barre and ordering the local lager,
Stegmaier. We walked into the first bar of the day, Dukey's, and told the
tarbender "Three Stegmaiers, please." And the guy says, "Oh, three Stegs?
Okay." We felt like we'd somehow screwed up. So when we went to the next
place, we bellied up and sang out, "Three Stegs!" And the man behind the
stick fixes us with the fish eye, and says, wearily, "You want Stegmaiers?"
I always wondered if just that sort of confusion contributed to the end
of the last local brewery (pre-micro era) in nearby Allentown. If you
went into a bar and ordered a bottle of their premium beer,
"Perfection", they usually didn't have it. If you ordered a
"Horlacher", *maybe* you'd get one. If you asked for a "Hor'", they'd
point you to the door to upstairs...
Joris Pattyn
2005-02-11 06:19:32 UTC
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"> If we're talking about weissbier / hefeweizen, you should refer to them
Post by G. Sylvester
as either of those names. Hefe is yeast. Weizen is the wheat.
Hefeweizen is the German term and Weissbier is the Bavarian dialect for
it. Weiss being white as the beer is somewhat white in complexion.
blah blah blah. I know. People referring to wheat beers as hefe beers
reminds me of the time I went up to a bar in Heidelberg and asked
for "Three wiess." I figured, "of course I'm referring to beer. i'm
not referring to crayons." Well after a few exchanges, he figured
out I wanted Wiessbiers and not Wiess.
FYI. "Wiess" is unfiltered Kölsch. Obviously not to be had in Heidelberg.
Joris
Steve Moore
2005-02-02 00:25:19 UTC
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Post by Randal
I thought Edelweiss was a Schneider product? Anyway - it's probably my
favorite of the lighter hefes - spritzy, perfumy, sometimes nearly
downright hoppy!
I caught a Garrett Oliver beer tasting last year. He said Edelweiss is
hopped with Cascades.

Cheers,

Steve
Lew Bryson
2005-02-02 01:31:36 UTC
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Post by Steve Moore
Post by Randal
I thought Edelweiss was a Schneider product? Anyway - it's probably my
favorite of the lighter hefes - spritzy, perfumy, sometimes nearly
downright hoppy!
I caught a Garrett Oliver beer tasting last year. He said Edelweiss is
hopped with Cascades.
Now boys...there's Edel-Weisse, and then there's Edelweiss. Two different
beers. Don was, I believe, talking about the Austrian-brewed Edelweiss
Hefe-Trüb, an excellent hefe brewed by Hofbrau Kaltenhausen. Schneider brews
Edel-Weisse, which is indeed a weissbier hopped with Cascades.
Nit-picking good, confusion bad.
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Steve Moore
2005-02-02 02:46:32 UTC
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Post by Lew Bryson
Now boys...there's Edel-Weisse, and then there's Edelweiss. Two different
beers. Don was, I believe, talking about the Austrian-brewed Edelweiss
Hefe-Trüb, an excellent hefe brewed by Hofbrau Kaltenhausen. Schneider brews
Edel-Weisse, which is indeed a weissbier hopped with Cascades.
Nit-picking good, confusion bad.
I stand corrected. DAMN YOU HYPHEN!

Slante,

Steve
Russ Perry Jr
2005-02-03 01:28:42 UTC
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Post by dgs
Schneider Weisse kicks Erdinger's ass.
And Aventinus kicks SW's ass.

Sorry Lew! Would it help to say IMHO?

(And heck, I LIKE Erdinger too, and Tucher, etc...)
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Lew Bryson
2005-02-03 03:28:16 UTC
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Post by Russ Perry Jr
Post by dgs
Schneider Weisse kicks Erdinger's ass.
And Aventinus kicks SW's ass.
Sorry Lew! Would it help to say IMHO?
(And heck, I LIKE Erdinger too, and Tucher, etc...)
Hell with it, I think Edelweiss kicks all their asses. Aventinus is out of
the league.
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Russ Perry Jr
2005-02-04 02:49:37 UTC
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Post by dgs
Post by Russ Perry Jr
Post by dgs
Schneider Weisse kicks Erdinger's ass.
And Aventinus kicks SW's ass.
Comparing a Weizenbock to a regular-strength wheat beer?
Why not?
Post by dgs
Hey, no fair! Compare Aventinus - also brewed by the same
folks who make Schneider Weisse - to Erdinger's Pikantus.
Aventinus kicks Pikantus's ass. :-)
Post by dgs
Hell with it, I think Edelweiss kicks all their asses.
Aventinus is out of the league.
I hope you mean like a pro-baller in a farm league, but
I get the impression you don't.

But hey, I don't mind... We're all just spouting random
opinions without any (given) basis. Prosit!
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Lew Bryson
2005-02-04 18:53:02 UTC
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Post by Russ Perry Jr
Post by Lew Bryson
Hell with it, I think Edelweiss kicks all their asses.
Aventinus is out of the league.
I hope you mean like a pro-baller in a farm league, but
I get the impression you don't.
Oh, I did, I did.
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dgs
2005-02-06 01:04:27 UTC
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Post by Russ Perry Jr
Post by dgs
Post by Russ Perry Jr
Post by dgs
Schneider Weisse kicks Erdinger's ass.
And Aventinus kicks SW's ass.
Comparing a Weizenbock to a regular-strength wheat beer?
Why not?
It's like comparing an orange to a tangerine or something.
Post by Russ Perry Jr
Post by dgs
Hey, no fair! Compare Aventinus - also brewed by the same
folks who make Schneider Weisse - to Erdinger's Pikantus.
Aventinus kicks Pikantus's ass. :-)
Just exactly so. ;-)
Post by Russ Perry Jr
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opinions without any (given) basis. Prosit!
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dgs
2005-02-03 05:46:50 UTC
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Post by Russ Perry Jr
Post by dgs
Schneider Weisse kicks Erdinger's ass.
And Aventinus kicks SW's ass.
Comparing a Weizenbock to a regular-strength wheat beer?

Hey, no fair! Compare Aventinus - also brewed by the same folks
who make Schneider Weisse - to Erdinger's Pikantus.
Post by Russ Perry Jr
(And heck, I LIKE Erdinger too, and Tucher, etc...)
Well, sure, but ... why? Or, why not?
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Bill Benzel
2005-02-03 14:44:54 UTC
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dgs (***@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Russ Perry Jr wrote:
:
: > (And heck, I LIKE Erdinger too, and Tucher, etc...)
:
: Well, sure, but ... why? Or, why not?

Why ask why? There are some things that are really extremely subjective
and if we're not judging final rounds at GABF or WBC I think we all have
the right to just say "I like X more than Y." or "I think Z sucks
bigtime."

I'll agree that the absence of any supporting information makes these
statements a bit thin but I have no problem seeking out and trying (or
avoiding) a previously unknown product based on a one liner provided the
source of the one liner is someone who has proven to be knowledgeable and
whose taste is somewhat akin to mine.
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Kenji
2005-02-01 04:17:16 UTC
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My favorite is Victory's luscious, exotic Moonglow Weizenbock.
Sean Monaghan
2005-02-11 08:17:20 UTC
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Post by Jeff
http://www.erdinger.com/ Yes, you CAN get it in the US. I do! If
you get it, MAKE SURE you pour it correctly. The website has
instructions.
Had it. Loved it.
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