Guinness Extra Stout - what's the diff?

[Dukester]

Just curious, why does Guinness make such a big deal about "regular"
Guinness stout having the "draft" systems in it's bottles & cans,
while the Extra Stout (AFAIK) only comes in plain ole bottles with no
such draft paraphenalia (and never has - at least since 1985 when I
had my first one! :-) )

Cheers,
Duke

[Joel Plutchak]

Post by Dukester
Just curious, why does Guinness make such a big deal about "regular"
Guinness stout having the "draft" systems in it's bottles & cans,
while the Extra Stout (AFAIK) only comes in plain ole bottles with no
such draft paraphenalia (and never has - at least since 1985 when I
had my first one! :-) )

They're different beers. The "regular" Guinness stout is a
lighter beer more suited to drinking on draught, and the widget
stuff lets them sell that session-type beer in a more mixed-
gas draught-like form. The Extra Stout is a stronger beer more
suited to bottles, or at least standard CO2 dispense and
presentation.
Incidentally, Guinness has been experimenting with the tight
creamy headed draught presentation in bottles/can in various
forms since at least around 1985-- I have a bottle and a black
syringe doohickey a friend brought me back from Ireland around
that time. The syringe method for getting a tight creamy head
works even on other beers, FWIW.

[E. Carl Speros]

Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste would be
almost undrinkable to the average drinker.

After Malvern Hill Pres. Lincoln visited with Gens. Mc Clellen & Sumner
as well as Col. Nugent (Commander of the Irish Brigade.)` A Lt. James.
M. Birmingham, Adjutant of the 88th N. Y. came from a swim in the James
R. & with his underwear drying on his body saw them talking. He ducked
behind some cover to eavesdrop in time to see & hear Pres. Lincoln
(overcome with emotion at the bravery & sacrifice of the Irish Brigade.)
as he lifted a corner of the 69th N. Y.'s flag, kissed it & said "God
bless this Irish flag" From Joseph Bilby's book
"Remember Fontenoy" on the Irish Brigade
Lancaster Civil War Round Table Website
http://community.webtv.net/GrayGhostYankee/TheCivilWarRound Carl
Speros webmaster.

[Garry Simmons]

Post by E. Carl Speros
Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste

Try a Victory Storm King or better yet, a North Coast Old Rasputin. Makes
Guinness taste like a milk shake. They're both (imperial) stouts BTW...

Post by E. Carl Speros
would be
almost undrinkable to the average drinker.

PERFECT! More for me!!!!

Garry

[S. Smith]

Post by E. Carl Speros
Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste would be
almost undrinkable to the average drinker.

Really? I drink Guinness quite regularly and I don't think it's as
intense or bitter as some people make it out to be. I find it to
be a very smooth and drinkable beer. It's one of my favorites,
actually.

I suppose it could be considered "intense" and "bitter" when
compared with something like Miller Lite or Coors Light...but then,
those aren't *really* beer, are they? ;-)

[Saerah]

S. Smith wrote in message ...

Post by S. Smith

Post by E. Carl Speros
Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste would be
almost undrinkable to the average drinker.

Really? I drink Guinness quite regularly and I don't think it's as
intense or bitter as some people make it out to be. I find it to
be a very smooth and drinkable beer. It's one of my favorites,
actually.
I suppose it could be considered "intense" and "bitter" when
compared with something like Miller Lite or Coors Light...but then,
those aren't *really* beer, are they? ;-)

nope. ive really offended people when i wouldnt let them bring shit like
that into the house :>
if they want to drink horse piss they can do it somewhere else.

--
Saerah

TANSTAAFL

"We're all one thing, Lieutenant. That's what I've come to realize. Like
cells in a body. 'Cept we can't see the body. The way fish can't see the
ocean. And so we envy each other. Hurt each other. Hate each other. How
silly is that? A heart cell hating a lung cell." - Cassie from THE THREE

[Joe]

Guiness is one of the smoothest beers out there. Not "bitter" at all...

Post by E. Carl Speros
Wow! I can't imagine a more intense brew than regular Guinness. a darker
more intense brew with an even stronger bitter after taste would be
almost undrinkable to the average drinker.
After Malvern Hill Pres. Lincoln visited with Gens. Mc Clellen & Sumner
as well as Col. Nugent (Commander of the Irish Brigade.)` A Lt. James.
M. Birmingham, Adjutant of the 88th N. Y. came from a swim in the James
R. & with his underwear drying on his body saw them talking. He ducked
behind some cover to eavesdrop in time to see & hear Pres. Lincoln
(overcome with emotion at the bravery & sacrifice of the Irish Brigade.)
as he lifted a corner of the 69th N. Y.'s flag, kissed it & said "God
bless this Irish flag" From Joseph Bilby's book
"Remember Fontenoy" on the Irish Brigade
Lancaster Civil War Round Table Website
http://community.webtv.net/GrayGhostYankee/TheCivilWarRound Carl
Speros webmaster.

[Paul Sherwin]

Post by Dukester
Just curious, why does Guinness make such a big deal about "regular"
Guinness stout having the "draft" systems in it's bottles & cans,
while the Extra Stout (AFAIK) only comes in plain ole bottles with no
such draft paraphenalia (and never has - at least since 1985 when I
had my first one! :-) )

It's really just marketing. Guinness have decided that, worldwide,
what the average drinker expects from Guinness is a tight creamy head
(even though this only arrived in 1967 when keg draught Guinness
replaced the cask conditioned version in Ireland).

Guinness Extra Stout (or, in some markets, Guinness Export Stout) is a
specialist beer that even the cynical Guinness marketing people
wouldn't expect to be served with a big nitro head.

Guinness is just Irish Bud! Drink your local stout/porter brews from
whatever your local microbrewery is.

Best regards, Paul
--
Paul Sherwin Consulting http://paulsherwin.co.uk

[Dukester]

Post by Paul Sherwin
Guinness is just Irish Bud! Drink your local stout/porter brews from
whatever your local microbrewery is.

Perhaps. But travelling around I've drank many a local beers from
microbreweries and brewpubs that left me yawning (and not from having
had too many!) That has yet to happen with Guinness Extra Stout. And
what do you do when there is no local micro? The only other dark
thing on the beer aisle is AB Black&Tan.

Cheers!

[Bill Benzel]

Dukester (***@yahoo.com) wrote:
: ***@paulsherwin.co.uk (Paul Sherwin) wrote in message news:<***@news.cis.dfn.de>...
: >
: > Guinness is just Irish Bud! Drink your local stout/porter brews from
: > whatever your local microbrewery is.
:
: Perhaps. But travelling around I've drank many a local beers from
: microbreweries and brewpubs that left me yawning (and not from having
: had too many!) That has yet to happen with Guinness Extra Stout. And
: what do you do when there is no local micro? The only other dark
: thing on the beer aisle is AB Black&Tan.
:
: Cheers!

http://www.liquidsolutions.biz !!!

If the best you've got locally is Guiness Extra you owe yourself a visit
to this web site.

OBDisclaimer: I'm just a satisfied customer.

[Steve Jackson]

Post by Dukester
Perhaps. But travelling around I've drank many a local beers from
microbreweries and brewpubs that left me yawning (and not from having
had too many!) That has yet to happen with Guinness Extra Stout.

Have the Labbat-brewed Guinness Extra sold in the States.

Although, that still may not have you yawning. Spitting and cursing, that's
another story.

-Steve

[Dukester]

Post by Steve Jackson
Have the Labbat-brewed Guinness Extra sold in the States.
Although, that still may not have you yawning. Spitting and cursing, that's
another story.

Tastes fine to me. But I guess I could stick to AB B&T instead, or
their attempt at a Bock? And no, I can't get beer by mail.

[Steve Jackson]

Post by Dukester

Post by Steve Jackson
Have the Labbat-brewed Guinness Extra sold in the States.

Tastes fine to me.

It's a poor, poor shadow of its former self.

Post by Dukester
But I guess I could stick to AB B&T instead, or
their attempt at a Bock?

Bah. Neither's any good, and there are thousands of other dark beers out
there, if dark beer is your thing.

Post by Dukester
And no, I can't get beer by mail.

Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
be some suggestions to generate based on that.

-Steve

[Bill Goodman]

Post by Steve Jackson
It's a poor, poor shadow of its former self.

I had been very disappointed with the thin Labbatt-brewed version, but
every once in a while I give some a try in the hope of a change for the
better. Yesterday I had one that was noticeably better:
bigger/cleaner roast barley and malt flavors and not terribly sour,
somewhat like the Irish version just before the switch to Labbatt (IIRC,
others on this ng had noted a change in the flavor of the Irish version
around that time). Taste buds failing me? Wishful thinking? A true
change for the better? Will have to do further research. :)

[Dukester]

Post by Steve Jackson
Bah. Neither's any good, and there are thousands of other dark beers out
there, if dark beer is your thing.
Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
be some suggestions to generate based on that.

Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

[Joel Plutchak]

Post by Dukester

Post by Steve Jackson
Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
be some suggestions to generate based on that.

Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

Or learn to brew your own.

[Lew Bryson]

Post by Joel Plutchak

Post by Dukester

Post by Steve Jackson
Shouldn't need to, depending on where you live. Which is where? There might
be some suggestions to generate based on that.

Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

Or learn to brew your own.

Hey, man, take that crap to rec.crafts.brewing, okay? Wow, if only this NG
was, like, moderated.

[Steve Jackson]

Post by Dukester
Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

That does make it tougher, living in a rural area like that. You may not
have much for microbreweries around, but it would be interesting to see what
other sorts of imports come in. And, nothing at all wrong with stocking up
for a few months at a time.

-Steve

[Rich]

if it is a stout you wish I would suggest (and I am a guinness lover) a
stout called black witch from wytchwood brewewries in england. they have
other dark beers like hobgoblin and for those who prefer a more citrus taste
try fiddlers elbow...but for taste i am sold on black witch!!!!!!!
Richard

Post by Steve Jackson

Post by Dukester
Rural deep south. Nearest major metro areas are over 100 and 200
miles away respectively. Not convenient when you need real beer! I
guess I _could_ buy 3 or 4 months worth at a time...hmmm.

That does make it tougher, living in a rural area like that. You may not
have much for microbreweries around, but it would be interesting to see what
other sorts of imports come in. And, nothing at all wrong with stocking up
for a few months at a time.
-Steve